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Jul. 8th, 2009 | 01:03 am
posted by: megatexas in san_diego

I'd like to organize a small, polite protest of the Hyatt and Doug Manchester during ComicCon.

People with signs would be perfect, but it would be especially cool if people were to show up dressed as openly gay comic book characters (Apollo, Midnighter, the Question, Northstar, Batwoman, etc.).

Is anyone interested in helping me organize this?  Does anyone know anyone who might be interested?

I'm not affiliated with any Prop. 8 protest groups, and I really don't know where to begin.  I can't be at the protest myself, because I'm a comic book artist and I have very serious plans for that time -- I will to be inside the convention center, selling comic books.  But I'd like to help this happen, and I'd be more than happy to help with organization and permits if someone can point me in the same direction.  

I will draw a flier to ask for a boycott of the Hyatt; I'll post it as soon as its done.  I've found a printer who is willing to donate their services so the flier will be in color and there will be plenty to go around.

note:  I support Mr. Manchester's right to political self-expression, as I respect my own.  Both his support of Prop. 8 and my desire to protest the same should be protected.  I feel boycotts are an inefficient tool for social change but occasionally quite effective, and this is one of the rare circumstances where I feel one can make a difference (and given the importance of SDCC to the convention center, where a lack of protest would send an unfortunate message).

I imagine this post may cause some debate, but I'm really most interested in finding people who would be interested to participate.  ComicCon is from July 23rd to 26th -- the 25th would probably be best, and evenings would probably be best.
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ahota84

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from: ahota84
date: Jul. 8th, 2009 07:57 am (UTC)
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ComiCon is packed with unvoting tourists.

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Geoff Sebesta

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from: megatexas
date: Jul. 8th, 2009 08:05 am (UTC)
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it's more about the money they spend and the attention they receive. They are also a national crowd, and this is a national issue.

And anyway, I was once an unvoting tourist here myself.

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La Septieme Planete

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from: princessenoire
date: Jul. 8th, 2009 12:52 pm (UTC)
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I don't know how effective this would be to organize now. I would imagine most people have already arranged housing for the event (if they don't live nearby) and I don't know how many will up and move once they've arrived. What are you suggesting exactly? A future boycott?

Also, regardless of your intentions, your statement that you can't be there because you "have very serious plans for that time" implies that this issue *isn't* very serious, and therefore you're likely to not get as many volunteers as you might hope, since you won't be taken seriously. Instead, it will seem like, possibly, an attempt for you to sell more comic books.

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Geoff Sebesta

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from: megatexas
date: Jul. 8th, 2009 08:25 pm (UTC)
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Ah, sorry, I'm so comics-centric that I forgot other people are not.

It's not about the hotel, everybody already has their rooms. It's about the bar. Most of the high-powered wheeling and dealing at SDCC happens at the two Hyatt bars. It's the most consistent place to meet-and-greet people that work for the majors. The bars are standing room only for the entire weekend.

I think inside the comics world it will be understood that this is not an attempt to sell comics (and as a matter of fact my comics have nothing to do with this), and is instead a rather difficult decision with negative repurcussions. The Hyatt is not a good thing to boycott if you are interested in working in comics. I am strongly considering a half-assed realistic compromise and saying "I'll go there, but I won't buy anything." I don't know if I can really explain this very well, it's sort of a phenomenon that you have to see to understand. The best I can tell you is that the lion's share of my paying work and high-level professional contacts come directly from the patio of the Hyatt in the last week of July, 2004-2008. I am not unusual in this.

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La Septieme Planete

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from: princessenoire
date: Jul. 8th, 2009 10:51 pm (UTC)
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I agree with the commenter below. I mean, I'm sorry if you're secretly super-passionate about this, but you're reading as though you just want to start something that you're not going to be a part of. If all the deals have always been done there, they will likely continue to be unless something much larger changes that - something that will likely take longer than a couple of weeks.

There are a lot of organizations involved in this. The Courage Campaign, the Human Rights Campaign. Contact The Center and ask what they would suggest.

I, for one, would like to know what the highly technical and strange explanation for your involvement is, seriously. Not trying to snark, just wondering. Feel free to PM if needed.

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Geoff Sebesta

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from: megatexas
date: Jul. 9th, 2009 09:16 am (UTC)
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I've written about it quite a bit over the last eight months: here are two threads.

http://megatexas.livejournal.com/2008/11/23/
http://community.livejournal.com/noscans_daily/91417.html

There's also a lot in the comments threads. Hope that gives some picture of the way in which I see the issue.

Long story short, no, I am absolutely not super-passionate about this. I was lead to the issue by three things that I am super-passionate about; prison reform, local politics, and comic books. So I'm going to make a flier and try to get something started, but I obviously can't do it by myself.

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E-Liz-A-Beth

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from: tasterainbows
date: Jul. 8th, 2009 04:45 pm (UTC)
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I think it would be better if instead of trying to organize something which you cannot even participate in yourself, you find an already existing group who is doing something about this issue and ask them how you can help.

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Geoff Sebesta

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from: megatexas
date: Jul. 8th, 2009 08:29 pm (UTC)
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Ha, very good point. Unfortunately not exactly what I'm going for here, but I can see how you would think that from my words.

My opinion on Prop. 8 is highly technical and it is strange at all that I'm getting involved on this. Basically if you want to discuss this point I'm happy to, but it's a very tl; dr, so be warned.

I would like to find an existing group and ask them about this. Unfortunately as someone who only lived in San Diego since last ComicCon and who was very pointedly not affiliated with previous Prop. 8 protests, I do not even know where to start. I can't even figure out which existing organizations are legitimate.

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cracksback

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from: cracksback
date: Jul. 9th, 2009 12:40 am (UTC)
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I'm not sure why you would have previously been pointedly not affiliated with equality, but whatever, here is some info for you.

Legit local organizations that protest the Hyatt are Unite Here! (which is a labor union who also protests manchester for labor practices and always joins together with the Prop 8 movement), SDEC and SAME.

http://www.sdequalitynow.com/
http://www.samealliance.com/
http://www.unitehere.org/

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Geoff Sebesta

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from: megatexas
date: Jul. 9th, 2009 09:25 am (UTC)
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It wasn't about the issue, it was about the leadership. I thought the No on 8 leadership made some questionable decisions, to say the least.

Thank you for the links -- I will try to contact them.

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